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 Post subject: Layout for 2Cruel
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 2:01 am 

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Hi Justin..

Need a layout for a 2Cruel..
Will be 15lb with 3oz top weight & 3-4" pin..

Bowler Information:
PAP = 5 over - 1/2 up
Ball Speed = 16mph
Rev Rate = 270
Tilt = 12 *
Rotation = 50 *

Ball Information:
Make and Model of ball(s) = 2Cruel
Weight = 15lb 3oz
Desired reaction shape = big back end movement with continuation through the pins. Long & very strong


Environment information:

Lane surface, Heavy Oil
Conditioner, Kegel

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 Post subject: Re: Layout for 2Cruel
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 1:51 pm 

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Location: Rochester NY
65x40@4" P3 hole.


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 Post subject: Re: Layout for 2Cruel
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:16 pm 

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@ 4000, the ball(in my hands) is still considerably strong in the midlane but also has that "pop" backend wise that you are looking for. 4 inches on pin to pap might tend to roll up a little sooner than you might want with your "desired reaction shape." 65 X 5-5.5" X 40, P2/P3 hole is what I would recommend "blind" according to your specs provided.

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 Post subject: Re: Layout for 2Cruel
PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 6:01 pm 

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Location: Rochester NY
kskidmore wrote:
@ 4000, the ball(in my hands) is still considerably strong in the midlane but also has that "pop" backend wise that you are looking for. 4 inches on pin to pap might tend to roll up a little sooner than you might want with your "desired reaction shape." 65 X 5-5.5" X 40, P2/P3 hole is what I would recommend "blind" according to your specs provided.


On asymmetrical balls, a shorter Pin to Pap distance will enable the ball to retain tilt longer while still having equivalent flare. This will create a more pronounced backend motion for a lower tilt player as the ball will initiate transition farther down the lane.


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 Post subject: Re: Layout for 2Cruel
PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:15 am 

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Sorry for the confusion. Did not read what was given to me originally. 270 revs, no wonder you recommended @ 4" along with with his tilt @ 12* and 16 mph ball speed. Completely agree with your assessments.

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 Post subject: Re: Layout for 2Cruel
PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:04 pm 

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Cheers for ALL the input guys..

Will this layout also suit a Sigma Tour ???
I already have a Raptor but occasionaly it will roll out & stop hooking.
With the Sigma im after smooth very even arc that wont roll out
like the raptor does..
To be used on medium oil lanes..
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 Post subject: Re: Layout for 2Cruel
PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:18 am 

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Asymmetrical balls and symmetrical balls behave completely differently, so generally layouts are not interchangeable without some tweaking.

What layout is on your Raptor?


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 Post subject: Re: Layout for 2Cruel
PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 9:36 pm 

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Hi Justin.
Not sure on the dual angle of the Raptor.
As that was drilled when a Pro Sect wasn't avail.
Best I can give you is the pin is in the middle
above the fingers about an inch.
With the CG 2 inch from middle grip.
With a balance hole for legal weight around P3.
The ball is very lane sensitive to certain conditions.
So I may look to get it re-drilled.
As my mate has a 2Cruel on order & also
a Pro Sect.
What would you recommend for the raptor??

Thanks.

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 Post subject: Re: Layout for 2Cruel
PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:30 am 

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If you can get a hold of a pro sect, measure what is on the Raptor. Remember the CG is irrelevant, it is all about where the little punched oval PSA marker is when figuring out the layout.


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 Post subject: Re: Layout for 2Cruel
PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:09 pm 

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Hi Justin.
Sorry it has taken a while to get back to you..
Living in Australia, It can take a while to get stuff here lol..

I have measured up the ball.. 55 x 5 x 40


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