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 Post subject: Re: Primal TV4 layout!!
PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 10:08 pm 

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Location: McMinnville, TN
Even though I'll be using this is on heavier oil conditions. With more oil present it should retain energy longer correct? I'm afraid it wont be strong enough for what i plan on using it for.


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 Post subject: Re: Primal TV4 layout!!
PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 10:27 pm 

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Location: Rochester NY
Go ahead use a 4.5" pin or even a 4" if it will make you trust the ball. It is still your ball after all. :)

The clearer your explanation of your intent, the clearer a solution I can provide.

This:

chadp223 wrote:
Justin,

I'm wanting an overall strong reaction?


Is what I provided my analysis based on.


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 Post subject: Re: Primal TV4 layout!!
PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 10:37 pm 

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Yeah sorry for the misunderstanding. I'm looking to use on the longer sport shots and just patterns with high volume overall. I'm comfortable with the angles I just it to be enough. I'm better at taking some hand out the ball then trying to get more in it. I think a 4" pin would be ideal.


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 Post subject: Re: Primal TV4 layout!!
PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 1:09 am 

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Justin,

The 4.75 pin you suggested will allow the ball to clear the fronts a hair longer with a quicker off the spot reaction correct? How many more boards do you think it'll cover more then my 55x4.5x35 qz2? What I'd like in the tv4 is the ball to start hooking about 2-3 feet sooner with a good move off the spot. That's why I thought of a closer pin distance but if the ball is a good 5 boards stronger then I believe a 55x4.5x45 with a p3 at 2000 should do the trick. After some thinking about what you said about energy conservation made me rethink my thoughts. Suggestions and comments as always are appreciated.


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 Post subject: Re: Primal TV4 layout!!
PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 11:22 pm 

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Input?


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 Post subject: Re: Primal TV4 layout!!
PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:16 am 

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You're on the right track. The TV4 is quite a bit stronger than the QZ2.

You will get a sooner move with surface.

Just be careful of ending up with too much differential, you sacrifice backend reaction when you create too strong of a reaction.


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 Post subject: Re: Primal TV4 layout!!
PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:43 am 

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Good deal! I know this is off topic on this thread but I have a guy that I drilled a cruel for, he is really unorthodox but an old school 8 at the arrows and 10 at the break point stroker with a high ball speed. A buddy of mine got his stats and asked mo Pinel about the sweet spot angle sum and angle ratio. He was suggested a 1:1.5 to 1:1 with a angle sum of 100 +/- 20. And the layout suggested I believe was 40x5x60 cause That's what he wanted and that's how I drilled it. He bought this ball on his own terms cause he wanted something different and stronger then his other stuff. As expected that far outside it Burns up and doesn't roll up as it does for me at around 17. He tried sanding to a grand which made it worse so I finally talked him into Polish. 500 2000 Polish it actually comes up but hits flat. Would a p1 retain energy long enough to make this ball come up a bit more and hit like it should?


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 Post subject: Re: Primal TV4 layout!!
PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:45 am 

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Try a P1, if that doesn't work plug it and reverse the angles. The Cruel likes larger drilling angles.


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 Post subject: Re: Primal TV4 layout!!
PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:57 am 

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That's what I figured. The ball hooks early enough without the help of a small drill angle. On the tv4 would a p 2.5 be better for look I'm wanting? The parallel PSA should be used I believe to have more on the back. Of course I will throw some before any hole goes into it.


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 Post subject: Re: Primal TV4 layout!!
PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 1:12 am 

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The final hole placement will completely depend on what it does on the lane for you.


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