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 Post subject: Justin Wi - Cruel LE and TZ3 Drilling options
PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 4:09 pm 

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Location: Antigo, WI
Hi Justin,

I wanted to get your opinion on some drill patterns for my Cruel LE and TZ3.

I bowl on synthetics (I think they are Anvilane but could be AMF), 44ft. THS, med-med. heavy in volume. My biggest issue's there have been with carry (kicking out the 7-pin) and carry-down. Solids don't seem to work there for me. My best success has been using my Hy-Road (oob surface) for the 1st game then switching to a Black Widow Bite (4000+polish) for the rest. At the end of the season, even the BWB wasn't turning the corner hard enough, possible problems with the oil machine though will hopefully be solved by the start of this season.

I'm not sure which one of these would be a better choice for those conditions.

Here are my stats, they are self-measured to as accurately as I can get.

Lefty
PAP: 5 3/8" over 5/8" up
Axis Tilt: 5-6*
Axis Rotation: 30-35*
Speed: 15-15.7 mph
RPM's: 300-325

Thank you for your help, I look forward to your response.
Maybe you could draw it up for me to take to my Pro-shop guy if you have time?

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 Post subject: Re: Justin Wi - Cruel LE and TZ3 Drilling options
PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:13 pm 

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Location: Antigo, WI
ttt.

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 Post subject: Re: Justin Wi - Cruel LE and TZ3 Drilling options
PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:36 pm 

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Location: Rochester NY
titletowncards wrote:
Lefty
PAP: 5 3/8" over 5/8" up
Axis Tilt: 5-6*
Axis Rotation: 30-35*
Speed: 15-15.7 mph
RPM's: 300-325


That tilt and rotation combo is going to be the tough part here. Rev dominant with a roll that wants to go forward quick. Explains your carry issues.

LE: 55x40@2.75" P3 hole. This one is set up to retain tilt a long time, you might need a touch of surface to make everything happen before it hits the pocket.

TZ3: 50x35@4.75", place a hole after you throw it. This one is set up to retain energy to come off the end of the pattern strong.


Let me know how they roll, with these specs it may take a touch of tuning.


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 Post subject: Re: Justin Wi - Cruel LE and TZ3 Drilling options
PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:19 pm 

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That tilt and rotation combo is going to be the tough part here.


I'm not exactly positive on the Rotation aspect of my specs.
Take a look at a couple of video's I have made, maybe I under/over estimated my Rotation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XaTY7kPhPc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7TdDV0wNJ4

My other specs should be good.

Thank you for your time.

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 Post subject: Re: Justin Wi - Cruel LE and TZ3 Drilling options
PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:37 pm 

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White tape on a silver ball is admittedly tough to see, but you do have low tilt and I would say a bit more rotation than you thought, a little closer to 45. The closer pin on the LE will give you a different look downlane than you have had.


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 Post subject: Re: Justin Wi - Cruel LE and TZ3 Drilling options
PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:11 pm 

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JustinWi wrote:
White tape on a silver ball is admittedly tough to see, but you do have low tilt and I would say a bit more rotation than you thought, a little closer to 45. The closer pin on the LE will give you a different look downlane than you have had.


Assuming that they Rotation angle is more towards 45, does that change your recommendations on the dual angle layouts for either ball?

Thanks,

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 Post subject: Re: Justin Wi - Cruel LE and TZ3 Drilling options
PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:24 pm 

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No. 45* will make things corner just a bit harder than 30*, and that's not a bad thing.


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 Post subject: Re: Justin Wi - Cruel LE and TZ3 Drilling options
PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 11:51 am 

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Thanks for your help! I will try them out soon and let you know how they do!

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 Post subject: Re: Justin Wi - Cruel LE and TZ3 Drilling options
PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:50 pm 

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Location: Antigo, WI
Justin,
Do you think these dual angle's would still work on a 40ft. Medium house shot, previously the shot was 44ft.

JustinWi wrote:
titletowncards wrote:
Lefty
PAP: 5 3/8" over 5/8" up
Axis Tilt: 5-6*
Axis Rotation: 40-55*
Speed: 15-15.7 mph
RPM's: 300-325


LE: 55x40@2.75" P3 hole. This one is set up to retain tilt a long time, you might need a touch of surface to make everything happen before it hits the pocket.

TZ3: 50x35@4.75", place a hole after you throw it. This one is set up to retain energy to come off the end of the pattern strong.


Let me know how they roll, with these specs it may take a touch of tuning.[/color]

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Recon RX1S - 60x50@4"
TZ3 - 50x35@4.75"
Thrash - 50x70@5.25" (Polish)
Venom Toxin - Coming soon!


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 Post subject: Re: Justin Wi - Cruel LE and TZ3 Drilling options
PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:11 pm 

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Location: Rochester NY
Yeah, they will still work.


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