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 Post subject: P3 hole question
PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 4:42 am 

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Location: Pahrump, NV
I had my pro shot put in a small p3 hole in my Cruel Le to try to get the ball to start to move to pocket a little earlier. They used a 1/2" bit and went down maybe a 1/4" into core. I would like to try to increase the ball reaction further. Should we go with a bigger drill bit at same depth, or try same size and go deeper?

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 Post subject: Re: P3 hole question
PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 4:44 am 

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In what ball and what is the current layout?


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 Post subject: Re: P3 hole question
PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:29 am 

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For the most part when it comes to weight holes. The bigger the weight hole the more you affect core dynamics, this goes the same with depth however you reach a point with depth where you lose the majority of affect. This is becasue once you go so deep you get so close to the center of the core that the affects become very minimal. To use a 1/2" drill bit into anything is really not going to affect much, you would maybe be able to remove 1/2 oz of wieght from the entire ball with that drill bit if you went 3inches deep. Now if they went just a 1/4 into the core, they maybe at the most removed, if lucky a 1/16 from the core. That isnt going to change core dynamics anything noticeable on the lane.

To be able to see a change they will need to go with a bigger size hole the same depth. You will really start to see some motion change if they use something along the lines of a 3/4" drill bit.

Also remember, in gerneral. Smaller weight holes drilled deep add backend flip, bigger holes drilled shallow add early roll. I myself tend to go right in the middle when I want more midlane and go an average finger size for the drill bit, around 3/4, and go around 2 1/4" deep. Lets you affect the core enough to see more motion on the backend but still shallow enough to not hit to much of the core and get it to midlane more.

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 Post subject: Re: P3 hole question
PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:42 am 

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With a 1/2 drill bit they didnt remove or really affect the core dynamics much to give you more midlane. That is really small and unless you go real deep into the ball around the 3 inch area you wont see much reaction change if any.

You would be better off going with a bigger drill bit as long as it doesnt change your static weights to much.

Personally I would have changed your surface first to get a earlier move on the lane. For my customers, if they like the reaction but just want a little earlier read, and the ball is still legal without a weight hole. I change the cover before I put in a weight hole. It is always easier and sometimes just the simple fix to the problem. Putting the weight hole in can completly change the reaction shape and that may not always be a good thing.

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 Post subject: Re: P3 hole question
PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:24 am 

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The-SCOOT wrote:
With a 1/2 drill bit ...... not always be a good thing.


Smaller, deeper weight holes change the densities of the weight block more effectively than large shallow ones. The changes in RG and differential increase with size of the hole. Static weight has no bearing on reaction, it is the replacement of a high density material with low density air that imparts the change in dynamics. The best idea is to start with a 13 or 27 hole 3" deep and increase the size of the hole until you reach the desired effect. Fortunately with the gradient line balance hole system the effects of weight hole placements are completely predictable.





Buddyweiser66 wrote:
Cruel LE 55 x 30 at 4.25 The ball is at 1000 abralon. I am trying to tweak it a couple boards more so it plays a bit different than the SR2 I picked up. It is not going into its roll phase before it hits the pocket.


Too speed up the transitions, place a P3 hole. Start with 27 3" deep. Make sure to mind static legality.


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 Post subject: Re: P3 hole question
PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 12:35 pm 

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Cruel LE 55 x 30 at 4.25 The ball is at 1000 abralon. I am trying to tweak it a couple boards more so it plays a bit different than the SR2 I picked up. It is not going into its roll phase before it hits the pocket.

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 Post subject: Re: P3 hole question
PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:28 pm 

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Justin thanks for the advice. I will do that Sat. Mark thanks for your input as well.

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 Post subject: Re: P3 hole question
PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 3:33 pm 

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Justin,
I know that the smaller deeper drilled holes affect the core dynamics alot more then a big shallow hole. I was only informing him that the 1/2 was way to small to show a signifigant change in ball reaction. You told hm to use a 13/16 or 27/32, and I agree with that, those are large enough to show and give a signifigant change in dynamics. In terms of drill bits and going up by a 64 at a time, 1/2 to 13/16 is around 16 drill bits up in size, lol.

Also i know statics dont mean anything in terms of reaction. The only reason i brought them up is because we still have to keep a ball legal, and i didnt want him tell them to use a bigger bit and then cause the ball to go over in statics and then him not have a ball he was able to use.

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 Post subject: Re: P3 hole question
PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 6:27 pm 

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Could only get to 2.5" before we hit bottom of thumb slug with a 27. Ball does seem to go into a heavier roll and carry light hits with more authority than before.

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 Post subject: Re: P3 hole question
PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 6:59 pm 

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you should have the pro shop pitch the hole away from the tumbhole. I had to do that on the majority of my P3 holes


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