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 Post subject: drill layout
PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:08 pm 

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I'm going to get a Cruel C51 LE. What info do you need, to suggest a drill layout for me?


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 Post subject: Re: drill layout
PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:20 pm 

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Location: Rochester NY
Ideally:

Speed
Rev Rate
Tilt
Rotation
PAP
What reaction you seek
What surface and pattern you bowl on


The more information you have, the more precise a recommendation can be made.


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 Post subject: Re: drill layout
PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 8:33 pm 

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I have seen a few different questions from you scattered across a few threads, its tough to keep it all straight in fragments with the number of posts I look at a day.

Lets get your specs and questions consolidated in this thread and I'll get you some answers. :)


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 Post subject: Re: drill layout
PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 10:18 pm 

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You are so right.I'm probably getting to be a pain..THANKS. this will be my 2 cruel, I have an LE on order. My now cruel is 15lbs. pin just above, almost bewteen the finger holes a tad towards the ring.The CG is 2 1/8" right of the center of the thumb hole. My new cruel le will be a 14lb. My cruel now is 15lb. and I barely thow it 14mpr.I'll be throwing the le 15mpr., My rev. rate is slow-med. I like it down and in, I guess a little agler.I wish I had more to offer..I came up with these, if you could help me pick one and maybe why..that would be awesome..55x25@3.5"P2 hole,55X30@4"P2 hole,60x20x3.5p2 hole,60x25@3"p2 hole,60x30x@3"p2hole,65x30@3.5p2 hole. I'm pretty sure my tilt is adverage.League adverage 185 on synthetic lanes now. wood in the summer.I'm gunna make it happen!


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 Post subject: Re: drill layout
PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:43 pm 

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oviewan wrote:
You are so right.I'm probably getting to be a pain..THANKS.


Not a pain at all, just want to make sure you are getting answers.


oviewan wrote:
My now cruel is 15lbs. pin just above, almost bewteen the finger holes a tad towards the ring.The CG is 2 1/8" right of the center of the thumb hole.


What does this ball do for you, and can you provide a picture? The CG location means nothing to the reaction, what really matters is the little red oval 6 3/4" from the pin.


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 Post subject: Re: drill layout
PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 4:41 pm 

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I,m trying to send a photo, not having any luck. It is the oval that's 2 I/4" to the right of my thumb hole, 6 1/2" from the red pin. I ned a lot of hand in it, or it really dosen't hook that much. Have you seen angelos video(motiv staff) on the Cruel C51 LE, his ball speed and approach are similar to mine and I try for the same results


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 Post subject: Re: drill layout
PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 5:26 pm 

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oviewan wrote:
I,m trying to send a photo, not having any luck. It is the oval that's 2 I/4" to the right of my thumb hole, 6 1/2" from the red pin.


A pattern like that will generally not provide a strong backend, but early motion in many cases.


oviewan wrote:
Have you seen angelos video(motiv staff) on the Cruel C51 LE, his ball speed and approach are similar to mine and I try for the same results


I think you are referring to Anthony Jordan's video, he has it pin above the ring and the oval close to the thumb.


What is your axis point? To accurately assess your current Cruel and give you a good placement for your LE, a PAP would be very helpful.


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 Post subject: Re: drill layout
PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 5:51 pm 

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I totally agree... That's the misstake I don't want to make again... That's what's so great about this. us try to be bowlsers get to talk to guys like you. I tryed to measure my PAP with a tape measure.. I came up with 5 1/8"x 1 1/8 up. That was a first.


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 Post subject: Re: drill layout
PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 6:07 pm 

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The 1.125" up makes the pattern on the Cruel more acceptable.

You will want to verify your PAP with a bit of tape, it will take a second pair of eyes at the lanes, but place a bit of tape on your PAP and have your assistant make sure the ball revolves around the tape for the first few feet of the lane.

That being said, I'd suggest a 55x25@3.5" for the LE. So far these layouts have been working well with the LE as well, with just a bit more length and finish than the Cruel.

If you need a picture for reference let me know and I can post one up tomorrow.


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 Post subject: Re: drill layout
PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 6:28 pm 

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photo would be nice,thankyou


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