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 Post subject: P Holes Vs 2" down the VAL hole
PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:14 am 

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I have a pretty good understanding now of what the P 1-4 holes can do to ball reaction. I have heard "put a hole 2" down the VAL" quite often. Can someone explain what this hole will do to a balls reaction and how it would be different from a P hole?

I picked up a used Sigma Tour that will need a weight hole but I will throw it for a bit first. I just want to know all my options before making a decision.

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 Post subject: Re: P Holes Vs 2" down the VAL hole
PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:53 pm 

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justin wrote this answer to me about the 2 inch down the Val question. answer from justin wi : Earlier first transition, higher diff ratio which results in a shorter length of time between the first and second transitions.

Basically stronger ball motion after the first transition.

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 Post subject: Re: P Holes Vs 2" down the VAL hole
PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:07 am 

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It will move the PSA from the thumb area towards the VAL line.


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 Post subject: Re: P Holes Vs 2" down the VAL hole
PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:08 pm 

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Thank you both for the good info. As it turns out my driller made a mistake and used my Cruel layout, so I don't need a hole to be legal.

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 Post subject: Re: P Holes Vs 2" down the VAL hole
PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 3:17 pm 

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Buddyweiser66 wrote:
Thank you both for the good info. As it turns out my driller made a mistake and used my Cruel layout, so I don't need a hole to be legal.


hope you like the ball with an incorrect drill on it. If not the driller should replace.

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 Post subject: Re: P Holes Vs 2" down the VAL hole
PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 6:31 pm 

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DjResol wrote:
Buddyweiser66 wrote:
Thank you both for the good info. As it turns out my driller made a mistake and used my Cruel layout, so I don't need a hole to be legal.


hope you like the ball with an incorrect drill on it. If not the driller should replace.


Its a used ball but I'm sure will get it tuned.

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 Post subject: Re: P Holes Vs 2" down the VAL hole
PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:21 am 

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A hole 2" down the VAL from the midline is a placement only used in symmetrical balls. In effect, it drags the PSA away from the thumb reducing the drilling angle, promoting an earlier read.


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 Post subject: Re: P Holes Vs 2" down the VAL hole
PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:31 am 

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does putting the hole 2" down the VAL from the midline make the psa move the most without the ball rolling over it? Does it have the same effects of on differential as a p3 hole? And also just for the hell of it would a hole 2" up the VAL from the midline shift the low rg axis?


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 Post subject: Re: P Holes Vs 2" down the VAL hole
PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:14 am 

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check this out

http://forum.bowlingchat.net/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=4354


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