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 Post subject: potentially drilling a 2nd Raptor, justin need layout.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:05 pm 

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Hi Justin,

Had a layout question for a potential 2nd raptor I'd be drilling. I love the raptor p7 on the heavier patterns when i want the ball to corner off the backend. The ball rolls great on the fresh and even when i chase in. I then drilled a raptor attack to use when ive chased the oil enough and i sacrifice carry with the solid. However, i just didnt see the reaction i was looking for. I like the heavy revving core so i was thinking of drilling a 2nd solid with a longer layout and some polish. I have found that drilling my motivs stronger keeping my sum around 80* total they roll tremendous and just want to know your opinion. I personally was thinking 60x5.5x30 since my solid is drilled 45x4.5x35. My attack is drilled 50x4.5x25. Seeing as my signature will not update and things in my stats have changed:

Lefty
5.5x3/8up
15-16 mph, 290-300 rpm

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Lefty PAP: 5.5x3/8 up, 16 mph, 300 rpms
Raptor P7 (45x4.5x35)(1000)
Raptor Attack(50x4.5x25)(360/1000/1500)
Sigma Tour (65x5x35)(box)
Thrash (50x4.375x35)(2000/factory finish)
Primal TV4 (60x3.5x30)(360/1000/factory finish)
Silver Recon (45x4 3/4x40)(box)


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 Post subject: Re: potentially drilling a 2nd Raptor, justin need layout.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:08 pm 

Joined: Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:43 pm
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Location: Rochester NY
What didn't you see out of the Raptor Attack? What were you expecting that you didn't get?


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 Post subject: Re: potentially drilling a 2nd Raptor, justin need layout.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:29 pm 

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When i bought the attack, as mentioned in above, my driller advised a 50x4.5x25 because his co-worker bought one and said that he was having trouble getting the ball to turn the corner. When he drilled it, i noticed the same, the ball struggled to turn the corner and when it did, it was rolling out. So i played with the surface and settled on 360,1000, factory finish. When the lanes are tighter the ball continues to struggle but with a decent amount of friction the ball corners well. Just expected more backend reaction out of the ball like the sigma tour i have and im getting a heavy roll. Of course the sigma is going to push and recover more so than the attack. The raptor p7 corners a lot better and i have always liked the way the ball gets into a roll and backends. Thankx for replying justin.


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 Post subject: Re: potentially drilling a 2nd Raptor, justin need layout.
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:48 pm 

Joined: Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:43 pm
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Location: Rochester NY
A small VAL angle like that will create and extremely short second transition, resulting in a very hook-stop look. Especially on an asymmetrical ball that already will transition quicker because of the asymmetry. With a 45-50* VAL angle the RA would be much more continuous and stronger on the back half of the lane.



On the second P7 use 60x40@5.5", once you see what it does we can place a hole and tweak surface to separate the reactions of the 2 if need be.


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 Post subject: Re: potentially drilling a 2nd Raptor, justin need layout.
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:28 am 

Joined: Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:07 pm
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Well Justin,.

I greatly appreciate your input. I had notice in most of the staff vids that the 2nd angle stayed around 40-50*. I now understand why my attack sets up in the backend the way it does. Understanding this changes the way i play the lane conditions i bowl on and where. Also thank you for the layout info on the 2nd raptor p7. I look forward to informing you on my findings when i drill the 2nd.

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Lefty PAP: 5.5x3/8 up, 16 mph, 300 rpms
Raptor P7 (45x4.5x35)(1000)
Raptor Attack(50x4.5x25)(360/1000/1500)
Sigma Tour (65x5x35)(box)
Thrash (50x4.375x35)(2000/factory finish)
Primal TV4 (60x3.5x30)(360/1000/factory finish)
Silver Recon (45x4 3/4x40)(box)


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 Post subject: Re: potentially drilling a 2nd Raptor, justin need layout.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:44 am 

Joined: Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:26 pm
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60 X 5 X 35, P3 - my favorite layout. If you drill a second, don't be afraid to play with surface because @ 1500 + Power Gel Polish, the ball is a gem.
60-75* X 5-6" X 30-45*, P3 or Dual Thumb - Would be another suggestion. Bigger angle on pin to pap along with a good deal of length from pin to pap, it should push at least 3-4 feet further down the lane. P3/DT will make response to friction time greater.

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 Post subject: Re: potentially drilling a 2nd Raptor, justin need layout.
PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:28 pm 

Joined: Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:07 pm
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Thanks skid,

Definitely looking at a bigger drill angle on the 2nd one. Double thumb would be if i was bowling on something really long and heavy. I have a hard enough time throw the one i have now, lol!

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Lefty PAP: 5.5x3/8 up, 16 mph, 300 rpms
Raptor P7 (45x4.5x35)(1000)
Raptor Attack(50x4.5x25)(360/1000/1500)
Sigma Tour (65x5x35)(box)
Thrash (50x4.375x35)(2000/factory finish)
Primal TV4 (60x3.5x30)(360/1000/factory finish)
Silver Recon (45x4 3/4x40)(box)


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