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 Post subject: So bummed
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:34 pm 

Joined: Tue Apr 12, 2011 5:59 pm
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Location: Sioux Falls, SD
Well I havent posted in quite awhile but figured it was time after getting my Primal Scream punched up last week. I have been having a rough start to this season dropping nearly 30 pins in average compared to last year. I was hoping that maybe the Scream would give me a boost. Much to my dismay I threw it for the first 5 or 6 frames and put it away for my Primal Impulse. The Scream sounds like its on the railroad tracks nearly every throw and even on occasion when it doesn't I dont see much ball reaction. If the ball does react it tends to be an overreaction more than anything. I am not sure of the exact specs but my pro shop guy had me throw some balls in order to get measurements to drill this ball. It ended up with the PIN nearly touching above my ring finger and no P holes or anything like that. The Motiv Logo seems to stay pretty tight most of the way down the lane so it seems like he got the axis point right at least as far as I understand it. I am hoepfully going today to throw it a few times so he can decide our next step but I am afraid a plug and redrill is the only way and I am not a fan of that at all, I am afraid this will just be one huge waste of money for me. This is in no way an insinuation that the Scream is a bad ball, I love Motiv balls and will use them exclusively now and in the future. I know this will come down to a layout issue but had to vent a little bit as it has bugged me all week.

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 Post subject: Re: So bummed
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:10 pm 

Joined: Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:55 am
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Location: Madison, WI
GervAce,

Here's an educated guess as to your issue with the Primal Scream vs. the Primal Impluse. Are you allowing for the bigger backend you are naturally going to see on the Scream vs. the Impluse. Apples to apples if both balls were laid out the same with same cover for me the Scream has a much larger backend. So, I see where you could get into trouble if not allowing for that difference in ball reaction on the backend.

I have had a Primal Impulse and now the Scream with close to same layout. I have preferred the Scream to the Impluse but if you look at the ball guide it shows where they would fall in the Motiv line-up.

Before you do anything try allowing for a larger backend. Then, if you don't see any difference go to surface.

I find the Scream a ball I can even use on less than medium-heavy moving inside and feeding the ball to the track or any worn area. The roll and carry is amazing for myself. I prefer it to the Impluse for that reason.


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 Post subject: Re: So bummed
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:18 pm 

Joined: Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:46 am
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Sorry to hear that Gervace...There was a time when I threw Hammer.. I think it was the Blue ball. I could not get this ball to roll right. No matter how I drilled it up, it seemed to roll oveer the thumbhole.. Didnt have that problem with any other ball..

To this day, I dont know what the problem was?

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 Post subject: Re: So bummed
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 3:00 pm 

Joined: Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:55 am
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Location: Madison, WI
Read Jim Kiser's post on BR.com about what he did and results. I'd still think about backend reaction before surface depending on bowler stats., lane condition, etal.

http://www.ballreviews.com/motiv/279780 ... icseen#new


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 Post subject: Re: So bummed
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 3:48 pm 

Joined: Tue Apr 12, 2011 5:59 pm
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Location: Sioux Falls, SD
Scotts thank you for your help. I will take these suggestions into my proshop guy and go from there. I will try to provide a brief update if we find a solution. Thanks again.

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 Post subject: Re: So bummed
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 6:35 pm 

Joined: Sun Jul 10, 2011 5:12 pm
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best reaction I have had from the Primal Scream was when I broke my wrist and slid the ball through the heads 255 . So I now have added Motiv polish to the ball to get it to skid on a light oil shot and it is now a killer. Worth a try .

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 Post subject: Re: So bummed
PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 1:59 am 

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Location: Sandusky, Ohio
If you are dropping 30 pins a game from last year, a new ball is not going to fix that. You need to work on your game with a coach. ;)


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