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The Forge Fire for me fits really nice for me between the original Forge and the Trident Nemesis so the ball chart is quite accurate. The Forge Fire allows me to start to migrate inside and gives me a larger swing area when the original Forge starts to burn up after a few games have been bowled.
The Forge Fire also takes surface adjustments very well as I have had success with this ball in a variety of different situations. This ball can be played straight up the lane, and when you need to move inside.
This ball is A MUST to have in your arsenal!
For the record....First of all, I am just a typical house bowler and not a pro staff member that really knows how to throw a bowling ball to shape it up with great control - With that being said, I will start this review :
BACKGROUND : Got back into bowling at the age of 48 (after a 14 year absence) as I recorded every game to date bowling official 6 game format starting March 2014 thru July 2020 at my home bowling house (Just closed out my 1100th session and 6600 total games thru July 31, 2020)....
This Forge Fire of mine I am reviewing here is a 40 x 3.50 x 40 layout and it is a Beast - Strong and Continuous !
All four of my new Motiv arsenal bowling balls have now 120 games completed on each of them in rotation - only resurfaced once after the 60th game on each of the four upon the same out of box condition (this Forge Fire resurfaced to polished 4000 grit) -
Forge Fire 25043 pinfall (208.69 Avg)
Trident Nemesis 24684 pinfall (205.70 Avg)
Hydra 24544 pinfall (204.53 Avg)
Venom Recoil 24081 pinfall (200.67 Avg)
1st Motiv ball - 354 games
Lethal Paranoia 72599 pinfall (205.08 Avg)
I achieved my 5th and 6th lifetime perfect 300 game TWICE already with this Forge Fire ball (21st and 36th game with it) and achieved a 3rd lifetime 299 game (on the 118th game) with it too - leaving the 8 pin.
Achieved a personal best 782 3-game series with the Forge Fire a month ago (June 2020) with a 264 266 252 (series B games 4,5,6) as the 3rd game I had the front 7 strikes and greek churched on the 8th frame with no transition warning I was so heartbroken knowing I had a legit shot at my first 800 ever....Only the 6th time I ever surpassed a 750+ 3-game series.
Session 1099 : I achieved a personal best 1472 6-game series with this ball (my 7th 1400+ 6 game series ever)
On the 118th, 119th, and 120th official game with this ball, I also achieved my FIRST 800 3-game series of my life at age 55 with this FORGE FIRE in series B (games 4,5,6) scoring 299 252 256 - with an 807 series ! (only the 7th 750+ 3-game series ever) - A dream come true to achieve this incredible feat for me thanks to Motive and this Forge Fire bowling ball !
I have two of these to do two different things.
My pap is 4 3/4" right by 5/8" up, my axis rotation is 15°> and my axis tilt is 10°^. I measured all this off an alpha jackal drilled 60° x 5" x 30°. This ball will also be used later for a comparison.
Ball number 1. Drilled 4 1/4" x 70°
For my specs this is a pin under ringer finger. Not recommended for the higher track players. You have been warned. For sport patterns, This ball is used primarily to open the lanes up with a straighter trajectory to the breakpoint. If you cant friction, this ball creates it.
The specs after throwing the ball show it flared 3" in the oil and a good 5" plus on the dry. The ball laid the core on its side about half way down the lane and showed a continuous motion into the dry followed by even more continuation until rolling off the pin deck. Simply put. It was looking for the 8-pin.
Compared to a short pin layout on an alpha jackal (90° x 2" x 25°), the fire grabbed the lane sooner and continued with a visibly stronger angle at the breakpoint. It flared a whole inch more in the oil showing a bit stronger midlane read. And again the entry angle was visibly stronger. In a way it seemed the alpha jackal's break point was much further down lane and showed milder but continuous motion through the pins.
Ball #2. Drilled 4 1/4 x 25°
The pin is about 5/8 above ring finger this time. This ball is insane. A dirty naughty little girl as i call it. It flared 5" in the oil. Rolling end over end for the first 40 feet of the lane. Then it flared a good 3"+ in the dry before it hit the pins. This ball laid the core on its side gradually about 40 ft down and after it did the ball wasn't looking for an 8 pin it was looking for the base of the hill it just rolled down. The motion was insane.
Compared to an alpha jackal (60° x 5" x 30°). Alpha jackal flares a 1/2" more in the oil and a 1/2 less in the dry. When the core laid down the ball said no mas. Same line with the fire, the ball flared 5" just like before in the oil, but a 1/2 more in the dry. When the core laid down on its side the ball could care less. It continued motion. The angle was stronger than this alpha jackal but it hooked in the midlane about a ft further down lane. But made up for it in a big way.
Anyways these two layouts are two of my favorite.
Again the pin down ball is not recommended for the higher track players. That ball is going to replace my villain scorn drilled with the same last two measurements in the layout.
Both balls i would favor most on heavy oil conditions that are at least 40ft down the lane. If you are planning on playing more direct but want a bigger hit in the pocket, this ball would look great with a short pin layout (2" x 20-30°) But only on heavier oil volumes.
Use wisely and enjoy the power the forge fire gives the hand that wields it.
La bola esta hecha para itermedio aceite pero es una bola que cuando lega al seco destruye los palos I no cambia direcion la recomiendo a mis colegas latinos
sorry guys, my translation is great awesome ball drives thru the dry and does not change direction love it since got this one keep building better Motiv
and by the way love Jackal Ghost also have 300 from it already
Needs the oil for top performance, revs up well and continuation is very good. The colors are great.